BAC, RomBAC

Daca s-a mai scris, imi cer scuze ca nu am citit, insa as vrea sa aflu mai multe detalii legate de o prolema care aparea in zbor la RomBac. E vorba de faptul ca avioanele erau produse in anotimpuri diferite, temperaturile variind astfel. Se pareca acest lucru lasa o amprenta asupra fuselajului, care in timpul zborului, la altitudine mare, isi schimba forma. Asa ca pilotii trebuiau sa compenseze prin diferite manevre... Povestea mi-a spus-o unul dintre vechii fizicieni de la Metav. Stie cineva mai multe detalii?

claudiup a scris:

Daca s-a mai scris, imi cer scuze ca nu am citit, insa as vrea sa aflu mai multe detalii legate de o prolema care aparea in zbor la RomBac. E vorba de faptul ca avioanele erau produse in anotimpuri diferite, temperaturile variind astfel. Se pareca acest lucru lasa o amprenta asupra fuselajului, care in timpul zborului, la altitudine mare, isi schimba forma. Asa ca pilotii trebuiau sa compenseze prin diferite manevre... Povestea mi-a spus-o unul dintre vechii fizicieni de la Metav. Stie cineva mai multe detalii?

Scuze,am lucrat la montajul general 8 ani,dar asa ceva n-am auzit si mi se pare cam aiurea treaba. Ca fuzelajul se dilata putin la presurizare,este indubitabil,Si temperatura aerului scade cu altitudinea, ca si presiuneaMai mult de inducerea unor mici tensiuni in structura, eu zic ca nu poate fi ceva care sa influenteze manevrabilitatea. Deci,nu. Prerea mea...

Un "very old"

grassone a scris:

am venit si eu cu niste poze BAC 1-11

primul este P4-CBH si e facuta poza acum 2 ani in vara...in prezent avionul nu mai este..a fost taiat si era vip...sunt vorbe cum ca a fost al lui Ceausescu

Sorin Rosca Stanescu sustine ca acest avion, impreuna cu alte Bac-uri 1-11 au fost implicate in traficul de arme din diferite tari ale lumii a treia. SRS are de obicei surse extrem de bine informate.

http://www.ziua.ro/news.php?id=40975&data=2009-10-08

Alte informatii interesante aici:

http://yorkshire-ranter.blogspot.com/2004/08/jetline-and-caribbean.html

Ei sustin ca aeronava a apartinut in trecut Hustler Magazine.

YR-BCF (Arad ) , nu cred ca a fost implicat in asa ceva. Ultimul indicativ :5N-OKA

P4-CBH a avut c/n 088, iar YR-BCF c/n 168.
implicatiile cu avioanele vandute depasesc orice imaginatie
http://www.antena3.ro/q_a/?p=4

Doresc s initiez o discutie cu reprezentantii Romavia pentru o serie de articole si am o nedumerire. Ce se intampla cu BAC-ul din flota lor? Pe unde o avea baza? Nu am vazut nici o fotografie trasa de vreun spotter la OTP...

BREcho este pe platforma langa B707 YR-ABB. Despre BRIndia nu stiu sa iti spun mai nimic. Ultima data cand l-am prins pe BREcho a fost undeva in Iulie, sa ma uit pe acasa sa vad ce poze am cu el.

RomBAC-ul YR-BRE este plasat intre doua BAe-146, al doilea din stanga


YR-BRI se afla pe breteaua Flotilei de langa pragul 08R, spre sosea. In fata are un An-24 RT 5024, ex YR-AMN

In spatele lui YR-BRI se va construi baza lui Romavia, adica hangarul lor.
Imaginile sunt recente, le-am luat in octombrie

Hehe! ia uite si statia meteo....si meteorologul evaluand nebulozitatea....
Cu multumiri Ovidiu

L-am pozat si eu pe YR-BRE pe 19/07/2009 la plecarea de la ziua portilor deschise pe Baza 90



Liviu

Sorry I don't speak in Romanian but I am trying to find out for sure two things.

1. Did all the ROMBAC 1-11s come off the Baneasa production line in Tarom livery? Even the the Romavia aircraft YR-BRE, BRH, BRI? I have just seen an image of YR-BRI taken in the factory in Tarom colours on this forum. This is the first time I've seen one of the Romavia aircraft in Tarom livery. Did any of these three aircraft actually fly for Tarom or were they just stored at Baneasa until they were delivered to Romavia.

2. Have Romavia permanently grounded their 1-11s now, including YR-BRE? I was told that they were trying to lease out the aircraft due to financial issues. If no one could be found they were going to be grounded by the end of March 2009. Has anyone seen them fly since then?

Lastly, does anyone have any good quality jpeg inamges of any of the Tarom / Romavia 1-11s taken in Bucharest that they might send me so that I can add them to my 1-11 archive which I keep on my computer at home. I am very interested in the leases that have been carried out over the years of the 1-11s to other operators. If anyone has any further information about these then I would love to hear about it, especially any lease carried out by the Romavia fleet.
I run the BAC 1-11 website, www.bac1-11jet.co.uk, and forum at Yahoo Groups. I have also created my photo archive at home which now numbers over 15,000 images.

I gather that c/n 410 has been found and photographed recently. What about c/n 411? Is this located across the main road from Baneasa in a field with a prop airliner in it next to an industrial estate. 44" 30 25 North 26" 03 57 East. If it is the 1-11 it doesn't have any wings attached. Does anyone have a photo of this so it can be confirmed as c/n 411

I look forward to hearing from anyone with any information and corrections to my details on my website regarding the ROMBAC 1-11 fleet.

Regards

Peter Clark
mrshu_a300@hotmail.com

Hi Peter and welcome to Romanian Spotters.

1. Romavia was founded in April 1991 and took over from Tarom five aircrafts:
- two Boeing 707's YR-ABD and YR-ABB. YR-ABB is still flying as Romania Air Force One
- three RomBac 1-11's YR-BRE, YR-BRI and YR-BRH

2. At OTP there still are YR-BRE and YR-BRH. Last time I've seen BRE fly was in July this year and it is still flying. YR-BRH is now grounded and I have no further info regarding it.

Regards,

Vali

valavia a scris:

1. Romavia was founded in April 1991 and took over from Tarom five aircrafts:
- two Boeing 707's YR-ABA and YR-ABB. YR-ABB is still flying as Romania Air Force One
- three RomBac 1-11's YR-BRE, YR-BRI and YR-BRH

Vali, cu respect dar Romavia la infiintare NU A PRELUAT aceste avioane de la Tarom.

Aceste avioane au facut parte din fostul Grup A al Bazei Aeriene Otopeni, Grup format din 2 escadrile. Escadrila 1 formata din 3 avioane RomBac 1-11 si 2 avioane Boeing 707 si Escadrila 2 formata din 2 avioane IL-18 si 3 avioane AN-30. De la Escadrila 2 nu a preluat decat cele 2 avioane IL-18 iar cele 3 avioane AN-30 au ramas mai departe in cadrul Grupului A si au format Escadrila de Aerofotogrametrie.

De asemenea, la infiintare Romavia a mai preluat de la Baza Aeriana 2 elicopetere MI-8 - YR-MLA si YR-MLB si cele 4 elicoptere SA-365N Dauphin care dupa o perioada de timp au fost returnate Bazei Aeriene.

Eu asa stiam si este adevarat ca nici nu am intrebat pe altcineva care cunoaste mult mai bine cum au stat treburile. Multumesc de corectare!

Cu placere, Vali.

Va rog frumos, daca se poate, pentru ca recunosc nu stiu asa bine limba engleza, sa traduca cineva pentru colegul care a intrebat despre Romavia ceea ce am scris despre infiintarea companiei respective si ceea ce scrie mai jos. Multumesc anticipat.

valavia a scris:

1. Romavia was founded in April 1991 and took over from Tarom five aircrafts:
- two Boeing 707's YR-ABA and YR-ABB. YR-ABB is still flying as Romania Air Force One

Au fost 2 avioane Boeing 707 :

YR-ABB care mai zboara si in ziua de azi si care a fost tot timpul rezerva lui YR-ABD.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Romania---Government/Boeing-707-3K1C/1312537/L/

YR-ABD cel care a suferit un accident in anul 1990 la o aterizare in cadrul unui zbor de instructie, pe Aeroportul Otopeni si care ulterior a fost taiat si vandut la fier vechi. Acest avion a fost folosit cel mai des de catre ultimul presedinte al RSR.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Romania---Government/Boeing-707-3K1C/1247002/L/

Sper ca nu sunt off topic.

mihai a scris:

valavia a scris:

1. Romavia was founded in April 1991 and took over from Tarom five aircrafts:
- two Boeing 707's YR-ABD and YR-ABB. YR-ABB is still flying as Romania Air Force One
- three RomBac 1-11's YR-BRE, YR-BRI and YR-BRH

Vali, cu respect dar Romavia la infiintare NU A PRELUAT aceste avioane de la Tarom.

Aceste avioane au facut parte din fostul Grup A al Bazei Aeriene Otopeni, Grup format din 2 escadrile. Escadrila 1 formata din 3 avioane RomBac 1-11 si 2 avioane Boeing 707 si Escadrila 2 formata din 2 avioane IL-18 si 3 avioane AN-30. De la Escadrila 2 nu a preluat decat cele 2 avioane IL-18 iar cele 3 avioane AN-30 au ramas mai departe in cadrul Grupului A si au format Escadrila de Aerofotogrametrie.

De asemenea, la infiintare Romavia a mai preluat de la Baza Aeriana 2 elicopetere MI-8 - YR-MLA si YR-MLB si cele 4 elicoptere SA-365N Dauphin care dupa o perioada de timp au fost returnate Bazei Aeriene.

Hi mrshu,

I'm translating this on behalf of "mihai". Hopefully it makes sense.
Vali, with all due respect, when Romavia was fist established, it did not take delivery of these airplanes from Tarom.

These airplanes were part of the old “Group A” of Otpeni Air Base, a group of two squadrons. Squadron 1 made up of three RomBac 1-11 aircraft and two Boeing 707. Squadron 2, made up of two IL-18 aircraft and three AN-30. From Squadron 2, they only receieved the two IL-18 aircraft. The three An-30 remained as part of Group A and formed the Squadron responsible for aerial photography / mapping / intelligence.
When Romavia was established it also received (from Air Base 2) two Mi-8 Helicopters (YR-MLA and YR-MLB) and the four SA-365N Dauphin, which after a period of time were returned to the air base.

Conform cu Autoritatea Aeronautica YR-BRE ia o pauza...

Am senzatia ca e o pauza definitiva. Apropo, YR-BRA mai exista, sau e deja linguri?

So can anyone tell me how many of the 9 ROMBACS came out off the production line and first flew in Tarom livery?
I can see that YR-BRI was in Tarom livery. What about YR-BRE and YR-BRH? I've got photographic evidence that YR-BRA, BRB, BRC, BRD were delivered to Tarom and flew in their livery. YR-BRF was ferried to Bournemouth Hurn shortly after rollout from Baneasa for lease to London European. Can anyone confirm that this was rolled out in Tarom livery before flying to Bournemouth?
The main question is what did the three Romavia 1-11s do before they were delivered to the company? Did any of them actually fly for Tarom???

JAMS a scris:

Am senzatia ca e o pauza definitiva. Apropo, YR-BRA mai exista, sau e deja linguri?

YR-BRA a fost salvat de la casare prin initiativa catorva listasi, se afla in acelasi loc, pe breteaua din dreptul hangarului Tarom. Daca pana acum soarta acestuia era sigura, pe viitor nu putem sti ce surprize ne vor oferi noii guvernanti.

mrshu a scris:

So can anyone tell me how many of the 9 ROMBACS came out off the production line and first flew in Tarom livery?
I can see that YR-BRI was in Tarom livery. What about YR-BRE and YR-BRH? I've got photographic evidence that YR-BRA, BRB, BRC, BRD were delivered to Tarom and flew in their livery. YR-BRF was ferried to Bournemouth Hurn shortly after rollout from Baneasa for lease to London European. Can anyone confirm that this was rolled out in Tarom livery before flying to Bournemouth?
The main question is what did the three Romavia 1-11s do before they were delivered to the company? Did any of them actually fly for Tarom???

All 9 RomBACs that came aut of the production line, first flew in Tarom livery.
YR-BRE was delivered from the very beggining to the Romanian Air Force. (During the comunist era, all the military transport aircraft were wearing Tarom livery)
YR-BRH and YR-BRI were delivered to Tarom. After 1990 those aircrafts were transferd to Romavia

I've got no photographic evidence at all the BRH or BRI ever actually flew for Tarom other than within Romania when they were at Baneasa. After they'd transferred to Romavia, BRH and BRI were leased to a company called Citylink Airways during 1992/93??? BRI appears in a white yellow and blue livery during this period. Menawhile BRE flew for LAR during 1990. Was this before or after the aircraft was sold to Romavia?
Can you confirm beyond any doubt that BRE was the only ROMBAC to fly for the military? It would certainly explain why there are no photos of this aircraft outside Romania.

I.Av.B. Inaugurarea de casa a lui YR-BRA, fara oficialitatile de partid si de stat, daca nu gresesc pe 19 septembrie 1982.

Parca s-a mai discutat pe aici, dar pur si simplu nu gasesc....Care din Rombac-uri era cel din poza ASTA? E facuta in septembrie '97.